the numbers on dual specs
April 30, 2009
These are the correct figures on dual spec adoption. The mistake in the original post was mine (those left outer joins will get you every time) and not a fault of the armoury. The sample size is small, so the sampling error may be large, but the general patternĀ is clear enough from these numbers.
Sample size: 30K level 80s who have been played since 3.1. Choices below 2% are not shown.
| Class |
Specs |
Popularity |
| Death Knight | Frost and Unholy | 10% |
| Death Knight | Blood and Frost | 8% |
| Death Knight | Blood and Unholy | 7% |
| Death Knight | Two of Frost | 3% |
| Death Knight | Two of Unholy | 3% |
| Death Knight | One Unholy | 28% |
| Death Knight | One Blood | 21% |
| Death Knight | One Frost | 17% |
| Druid | Balance and Restoration | 23% |
| Druid | Feral Combat and Restoration | 18% |
| Druid | Balance and Feral Combat | 5% |
| Druid | Two of Feral Combat | 7% |
| Druid | One Restoration | 16% |
| Druid | One Feral Combat | 14% |
| Druid | One Balance | 13% |
| Hunter | Beast Mastery and Survival | 10% |
| Hunter | Marksmanship and Survival | 7% |
| Hunter | Beast Mastery and Marksmanship | 3% |
| Hunter | Two of Survival | 5% |
| Hunter | One Survival | 42% |
| Hunter | One Beast Mastery | 21% |
| Hunter | One Marksmanship | 12% |
| Mage | Arcane and Fire | 11% |
| Mage | Fire and Frost | 11% |
| Mage | Arcane and Frost | 8% |
| Mage | Two of Fire | 3% |
| Mage | One Fire | 29% |
| Mage | One Arcane | 22% |
| Mage | One Frost | 15% |
| Paladin | Holy and Retribution | 19% |
| Paladin | Protection and Retribution | 16% |
| Paladin | Holy and Protection | 11% |
| Paladin | One Retribution | 21% |
| Paladin | One Holy | 16% |
| Paladin | One Protection | 13% |
| Priest | Holy and Shadow | 26% |
| Priest | Discipline and Holy | 12% |
| Priest | Discipline and Shadow | 11% |
| Priest | One Holy | 22% |
| Priest | One Shadow | 16% |
| Priest | One Discipline | 8% |
| Rogue | Assassination and Combat | 15% |
| Rogue | Combat and Subtlety | 5% |
| Rogue | Two of Assassination | 9% |
| Rogue | One Combat | 32% |
| Rogue | One Assassination | 28% |
| Rogue | One Subtlety | 7% |
| Shaman | Elemental and Restoration | 28% |
| Shaman | Enhancement and Restoration | 18% |
| Shaman | Elemental and Enhancement | 4% |
| Shaman | Two of Restoration | 3% |
| Shaman | One Elemental | 15% |
| Shaman | One Enhancement | 15% |
| Shaman | One Restoration | 15% |
| Warlock | Affliction and Demonology | 12% |
| Warlock | Affliction and Destruction | 8% |
| Warlock | Demonology and Destruction | 8% |
| Warlock | Two of Demonology | 3% |
| Warlock | One Demonology | 26% |
| Warlock | One Affliction | 22% |
| Warlock | One Destruction | 16% |
| Warrior | Arms and Protection | 18% |
| Warrior | Fury and Protection | 16% |
| Warrior | Arms and Fury | 6% |
| Warrior | Two of Arms | 3% |
| Warrior | One Protection | 25% |
| Warrior | One Fury | 15% |
| Warrior | One Arms | 14% |
Oddly enough, my conclusions are exactly the same as last time despite the different numbers:
- Take-up of dual specs is much lower than I was expecting. I published figures a while back which showed that 30% of level 80s did all three of PvE raiding, BG PvPing and Arena PvPing and the vast majority of level 80s did at least some mixture of PvE and PvP. I would have thought that anybody who did PvE and PvP would want two specs – which basically means everybody.
Perhaps people are waiting for the talent-resetting patches to stop. Perhaps the need to lay down the one large (in the Tony Soprano sense) is holding people back. Or maybe it is just too early to see where this feature is going to take us. - The most enthusiastic adopters of dual specs are players who want a DPS-and-support combination, where “support” means tanking or healing. Nothing surprising there. Take-up amongst the pure DPS classes is lower on the whole. So only 25% of hunters have a dual spec but 50% of druids do.
- One limitation of my data is that I can’t yet sort the actual builds into raid and PvP builds. If I could do that, the picture we see here might be a bit different. An interesting question is what pure DPS classes are doing with dual specs. There seems to be two alternatives: a) having the off-spec as a spec-in-test and b) having a PvE and PvP DPS spec. So when we see that a warlock has two demonology builds, that could just mean that they are testing the second build or that they are trying to run as demonology in two different areas of the game. I’m still working on a solution to identifying builds by their intended role so I can get an answer to this question.
Azeroth’s got talent
October 25, 2008
I finally have a way of presenting talent builds that I’m reasonably happy with. But the presentation is a bit… um… complex… sigh… Maybe too complex; I’m not sure. Perhaps you could help me out by having a look at the tables here and telling me whether studying them has lead you to:
- enlightenment
- befuddlement
- a migrane
- all three
Anyway here we go…
(Caution: the examples here are from pre-patch-3.0.2 data.)
We start with the basic x/y/z builds for a class and their relative popularity. For example the most popular level 70 priest build is 20/41/0 at about 14%. So we want to know what actual talents are used in that build. And we want to know how many points the average 20/41/0 priest puts into each talent (what I will call the points “spend”). That is, not everyone puts 5 points into a 5-point talent.
So for every popular build, we want a table with these columns:
| Tree | Tier | Talent | Popularity | Spends | ||||
There will be some variation across these columns. 20/41/0 is just three sums and within the 20 and the 41, priests have made various decisions around a basic group of talents.
The most simple case is when there is consensus around a talent. For example, the vast majority of 20/41/0 priests take Unbreakable Will as a tier 1 discipline talent. So we get this:
| Tree | Tier | Talent | Popularity | Spends | ||||
| Discipline | 1 | Unbreakable Will | 97% | 5 of 5: 98% | ||||
Only 3% of 20/41/0 priests don’t take Unbreakable Will. Of the 97% who do take it, only 2% of them don’t put the full 5 points into it. Capische?
Then we have talents where there is less of a consensus.
For example the tier 5 Holy talent Healing Prayers is taken by only 39% of 20/41/0 priests. And those that do take it are split about how many points it deserves: just over half think it is worth the full two points and just under half think that it is only worth 1 point. So we get a line like this:
| Tree | Tier | Talent | Popularity | Spends | ||||
| Holy | 5 | Healing Prayers | 39% | 2 of 2: 59% | 1 of 2: 41% | |||
These lines by themselves are not overwhelming; it’s when they all come together that we get information overload. Note that only talents and spends taken by at least 10% of the sample are shown, otherwise the table would be beyond comprehension.
Here is the full analysis for the 20/41/0 pre-3.0.2 priest: Behold!
| Tree | Tier | Talent | Popularity | Spends | ||||
| Discipline | 1 | Unbreakable Will | 97% | 5 of 5: 98% | ||||
| Discipline | 2 | Improved Power Word: Fortitude | 94% | 2 of 2: 99% | ||||
| Discipline | 2 | Silent Resolve | 88% | 4 of 5: 46% | 5 of 5: 34% | 1 of 5: 12% | ||
| Discipline | 2 | Improved Power Word: Shield | 34% | 3 of 3: 90% | 1 of 3: 10% | |||
| Discipline | 3 | Meditation | 99% | 3 of 3: 99% | ||||
| Discipline | 3 | Inner Focus | 94% | 1 of 1: 100% | ||||
| Discipline | 3 | Absolution | 21% | 1 of 3: 80% | 2 of 3: 13% | |||
| Discipline | 4 | Mental Agility | 94% | 5 of 5: 78% | 4 of 5: 13% | |||
| Holy | 1 | Improved Renew | 99% | 3 of 3: 99% | ||||
| Holy | 1 | Holy Specialization | 91% | 5 of 5: 59% | 3 of 5: 16% | 2 of 5: 15% | ||
| Holy | 1 | Healing Focus | 89% | 2 of 2: 97% | ||||
| Holy | 2 | Divine Fury | 95% | 5 of 5: 97% | ||||
| Holy | 2 | Spell Warding | 11% | 5 of 5: 63% | 2 of 5: 19% | |||
| Holy | 3 | Inspiration | 87% | 3 of 3: 89% | ||||
| Holy | 3 | Holy Nova | 23% | 1 of 1: 100% | ||||
| Holy | 4 | Improved Healing | 99% | 3 of 3: 99% | ||||
| Holy | 4 | Holy Reach | 75% | 2 of 2: 93% | ||||
| Holy | 5 | Spiritual Guidance | 98% | 5 of 5: 94% | ||||
| Holy | 5 | Spirit of Redemption | 94% | 1 of 1: 100% | ||||
| Holy | 5 | Healing Prayers | 39% | 2 of 2: 59% | 1 of 2: 41% | |||
| Holy | 6 | Spiritual Healing | 100% | 5 of 5: 99% | ||||
| Holy | 7 | Holy Concentration | 92% | 3 of 3: 91% | ||||
| Holy | 7 | Lightwell | 15% | 1 of 1: 100% | ||||
| Holy | 8 | Empowered Healing | 100% | 5 of 5: 96% | ||||
| Holy | 9 | Circle of Healing | 99% | 1 of 1: 100% | ||||
Still with me? Please do take a second and tell me if a table like that is genuinely useful. If it isn’t, I’m happy to have another go at the problem.
patch 3.0.2 talent builds
October 20, 2008
… can be found here.
It will be a little while before I do another armoury scan; I want to wait for the data to settle down a bit first. Sorry! But there is a site that is doing some early amoury scanning for the new talent builds – which is exactly what you need now. I’ve linked to it in ‘Other Data Miners’ to your right or just click on the link in this post.
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